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    Pentru cei care nu stiu ,,cu ce se mananca" aceasta tehnologie, aveti aici o mini-introducere. La cele scrise acolo adaug ca intre timp cei de la JMicron au recunoscut problemele descrise in testul Anandtech (a se vedea aici) si ca OCZ a fost producatorul care a promovat preturi mai bune pentru SSD-uri, prin seriile Solid, Apex si Vertex (a se vedea aici).

    Si iata ca a aparut inca o serie de la OCZ... OCZ Summit Series 250GB SSD Preview - New Samsung MLC... se pare ca sunt simple re-brand-uiri de SSD-uri Samsung... vom vedea, insa deocamdata (pana la testarea seriei Vertex cu noul sau controller Indilinx) e cel mai bun SSD non-Intel...
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    OCZ Vertex Series 120GB SSD Performance Preview : Indilinx makes an intro - test @ PcPerspective

    Rezultatele nu sunt pe masura asteptarilor, situandu-se aproape la egalitate cu OCZ Summit (variind, normal pentru SSD-uri, in functie de instrumentul de benchmark - nu exista un astfel de instrument cu adevarat relevant si precis pentru testarea acestora) si, din nou, sub Intel.

    Insa acest exemplar nu are firmware-ul final, acesta fiind unul din motivele pentru care OCZ a intarziat foarte mult lansarea seriei Vertex. De aceea am si atasat doua rezultate in PcMark ale celor de la PcPerspective cu acelasi model dar cu versiuni diferite de firmware.

    Oricum, noile Vertex-uri coboara si mai mult stacheta pretului, cea mai ieftina varianta (30 de Gb, 32 Mb cache), avand un pret de aprox. 130 $. Este foarte apropiata ca pret de cel mai ieftin Raptor de la americani, care desi are un raport pret/Gb mai bun, raportul pret/performanta (rapiditatea accesului la datele stocate) al acestuia este net inferior Vertexului.
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    Mushkin 128GB SSD cu slot miniUSB pentru conectare directa la calculator. O sa ii fac in weekend un scurt test !
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    Draguta cutia
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    OCZ Vertex 120GB @ benchmarkreviews.com - de data asta o varianta finala, retail. Se pare ca firmware-ul e imbunatatit...

    Interesant e ca un simplu Vertex se distreaza cu un raid 0 format din doua Veloci-raptor-uri. Umbla vorba ca vom avea parte cat de curand de un round-up marca Anandtech al celor mai interesante SSD-uri...
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    Deci prin analogie un Ocz Vertex de 30gigi e mai rapid decat un raid0 de Velociraptori?Nu mai exista niciun fel de incompatibilitati?
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    Cel de 30 de Gb (la fel ca si cel de 60 de Gb) are cache-ul injumatatit. Nu ma arunc la o predictie pana nu mai vad niste teste... Mama Omida e cam bolnavioara cand vine vorba de SSD-uri.

    Insa te asigur ca raport pret/performanta mai bun ca al Vertex-ului de 30 de Gb nu prea exista momentan pentru o partitie ,,de viteza" (un singur SSD sau dual/tri-drsc in raid) destinata sistemului de operare.
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    OCZ Demos 1 TB RAID0 Solid-State Drive with Unbelievable Transfer Speeds
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    mama ce specs are si cum arata
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    Intarzie cam mult SATA3, producatorii nu mai stiu pe ce porturi sa isi faca prototipurile pentru a evita limitele SATA2 de transfer.
    Asteptam un raspuns de la OCZ la varianta PCI-E RAID0 SSD, frumoase viteze pe acolo...
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    un video cu 24 ssd in raid
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs
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    Vitezele sunt faine dar preturile sunt prohibitive. Pacat ca nu se impinge mai tare tehnologia asta din spate. Mare pacat. Dar e ca in cazul petrolului banuiesc. Cata vreme exista o industrie bine definita a hardurilor mecanice, lucrurile se vor misca in viteza melcului in ce priveste ssd. Dar e doar o opinie personala, s-ar putea ca greii de pe aici sa stie mult mai multe lucruri legate de fenomen.
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    Totusi industria specifica se misca in directia dorita, mai repede sau mai incet...
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    Samsung: Solid state will match hard-drive price
    Samsung expects solid-state drives to reach price parity with hard-disk drives within the next few years amid steep annual price declines in flash memory chips.
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    SSD Roundup March 2009 @ driverheaven
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    A aparut OCZ Vertex pe la noi ?

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    in oferte, da.
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    Intel Releases New Firmware for its X18-M and X25-M Solid-State Drives
    Intel has released a new firmware for its high-performance X18-M and X25-M solid-state drives. The new update brings the firmware up to version 1.1 and aims to further improve the performance of the solid-state drives. Last but not least this update fixes the severe performance degradation of these drives after extended periods of use. Download the update and learn more about the update procedure from here.
    Tot ce se spune insa in release notes este...
    Date 13 April 2009
    Revision 045C8820

    Decription This firmware revision has several continuous improvement optimizations intended to provide the best possible user experience with the Intel SSD
    Sunt curios daca intr-adevar techpowerup au dreptate sau doar vorbesc aiurea-n tramvai... cine stie, poate vom mai vedea o continuare in Anandtech la testul mult luadat de mine, ale carui concluzii le dau in continuare (in stilu-mi caracteristic) un copy/paste de pe un alt thread...
    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    In primul rand

    Asta este momentan si marea mea nedumerire/nemultumire la adresa exceptionalului test Anandtech - DE CE DOAMNE APARA SI PAZESTE NU AU TESTAT MACAR DOUA VERTEX-URI IN RAID 0?

    Raspunsul e oarecum clar pentru mine - nu au vrut sa arate ca un SSD de la Intel MLC de 80 de Gb (care costa cat trei OCZ vertex-uri de 32 de Gb) e muuuuult mai slab decat un tri-raid 0 format din SSD-uri MLC OCZ Vertex de 32 de Gb. Eu chiar apreciez foarte mult stilul jurnalistic al celor de la Anandtech care insista pe raportul calitate/pret, pe competitivitate, insa nu le inteleg aceasta scapare (decat prin banuiala deja mentionata).


    In al doilea rand

    Uite aici un test RAID 0 din doua Vertexuri facut de un baiat priceput la SSD-uri... concluziile lui...









    Nu esti norocos pana la capat, in sensul ca in acele tabele nu este inclus si un SLC, insa daca vei cauta pe internet un review al SLC-ului Intel de 32 de Gb vei gasi niste rezultate mult sub cele scoase de raid-ul format din doua vertex-uri.


    In al treilea rand

    Da, esti nebun... sa cheltui banii acum pe SSD-uri. De ce? Daca vei citi cu atentie explicatiile din acel (din nou zic) exceptional test Anandtech, vei descoperi ca:


    a) Toate SSD-urile au un ,,defect" de fabricatie - se pot citi/scrie pe pagini (pages - cea mai mica subdiviziune ,,functionala" a unui SSD) de 4KB, insa se pot sterge numai blocuri (blocks) de 512 KB. Astfel, pentru ca chip-urile nand au o durata de viata limitata la 10000 de scrieri/rescrieri, controller-ul intai umple tot SSD-ul cu date si abia pe urma trece la ,,rescrierea" datelor.

    Unii pot intelege gresit ca de aici vin acele pauze in anumite momente, descoperite tot de Anandtech - acelea provin pur si simplu de la variante de firmware (sau chiar controller-e precum JMicron) neoptimizate pentru ,,manipularea" random a fisierelor de mici dimensiuni.

    Deci NU, acest inceput de explicatie sta la baza intelegerii unui alt fenomen - cel al scaderii (degradarii) performantei in timp a SSD-urilor descoperita pentru prima data de legitreviews.com, si analizata apoi discutabil de catre pcperspective.

    Ca sa continui explicatia, cand un SSD este plin (sau aproape plin - prin plin nu fa te rog analogia cu HDD-ul clasic, un SSD poate fi ,,plin" si cu 10% din date fizice scrise efectiv si vizibile in partitia de windows, si 90% sterse, ,,sters" in limbajul SSD fiind echivalent intr-o prima faza cu ,,sari peste"), pentru a scrie alte date pe el, incepe o operatiune in 5 pasi (descrisa pe larg aici) - intai datele sunt pastrate in cache, apoi trebuie trebuie ca stergerea ,,locatiei" unde va avea loc scrierea sa aiba loc efectiv, datele ramanand in cache, apoi sunt copiate din cache pe SSD si, in final, sunt sterse din cache.

    Concluzia - IN TIMP SE DEGRADEAZA NUMAI SCRIEREA PE SSD-uri, timpii de citire nefiind afectati aproape deloc.


    b) S-ar parea ca toate SSD-urile pot folosi utilitarul proprietar Intel HDD ERASE, care din BIOS readuce un SSD ,,uzat" la starea initiala, chiar stergand toate datele de pe el si intr-un fel ,,formatandu-l" (ca sa folosesc o analogie nu tocmai reusita cu hdd-ul clasic).

    Eu m-as putea interesa daca intr-adevar asa este, insa numai daca tu consideri relevant/folositor... oricum aceste randuri pot constitui o noutate si pentru multi asa-zisi cititori ai acelui test Anandtech, care s-au uitat doar pe rezultate/tabele.

    Nu prea sunt insa personal interesat pentru ca nu vreau sa achizitionez in viitorul apropiat un SSD (a se vedea si motivul de la punctul c, arhisuficient pentru mine coroborat cu celelalte); plus de asta, m-am cam plictisit sa fiu considerat copy/paste-r (pe acest forum uneori ,,la mana a treia") de niste indivizi suficienti (care nu produc altceva decat aprecieri la adresa altora) pentru simplul fapt ca postez stiri sau teste...


    c) Windows Seven va introduce comanda TRIM ( a se citi aici pe larg ce si cum), ce rezolva partial problemele la scriere dupa de SSD-ul devine plin (micsorand numarul necesar de pasi), insa de exemplu la modificarea unui document metoda Trim e ,,cam de pomana".


    d) SSD-urile au spatii libere ,,de rezerva", necesare atat in eventualitatea in care se deterioreaza anumite subdiviziuni ale SSD-ului, cat si pentru a scrie date dupa ce capacitatea vizibila in windows este full-option.


    Deja din cele spuse pana acum putem trage urmatoarele concluzii preliminare:

    1. TREBUIE SA FII NEBUN (SAU NEINFORMAT) SA FOLOSESTI UN SSD PENTRU STOCARE (fie el SLC sau MLC); asadar singura destinatie viabila este pentru partitia de boot - asa cum tu ai descoperit.

    2. NU ARE NICIUN ROST SA DEFRAGMENTEZI UN SSD, CARE ESTE NEAFECTAT DE RASPANDIREA DATELOR PE TOT SSD-ul.

    3. SLC vs. MLC devine o dezbatere colaterala si relativ neimportanta: datorita modalitatii de scriere/stergere, inclusiv MLC-urile sunt fiabile, noile versiuni de controller-e rezolva problema ,,inghetarilor" de performanta specifica fostelor MLC-uri, iar pretul unui SLC este atat prohibitiv cat si nejustificat de performanta oferita.

    4. Daca pentru un HDD o partitionare si o formatare doar a unei parti a acestuia ajuta la imbunatatirea timpului de acces si deci a performantei generale, la un SSD acelasi procedeu ajuta la prelungirea performantei la scriere nedegradate (spatiul liber fiind considerat de rezerva).


    e) Tot nea Anand ne spune ca ar trebui sa intereseze la un SSD ,,latenta" (viteza, cat timp ne ia sa facem o treaba) si nu ,,latimea de banda" (cata cantitate de date putem copia/citi dintr-o data), lucru evident avand in vedere destinatia evidenta a SSD-ului - partitia de boot.

    El a creat in Iometer niste teste speciale de latenta, pe care le-am atasat, si care demonstreaza suprematia Intel in testul de scriere aleatorie a unor fisiere de numai 4 KB... mi se par relevante, insa nu intr-atat incat sa justifice un SSD Intel achizitia. Este necunoscut impactul RAID din acestul punct de vedere (inca un HUO Anandtech).





    Pe de alta parte insa, cei de la Anandtech cred ca sunt primii review-eri din lume a caror parere a ajuns atat de importanta incat OCZ a amanat lansarea SSD-urilor Vertex pana nu a avut o versiune de firmware ,,pe placul" celor de la Anandtech. Asta in conditiile in care Nvidia i-a exclus din lista celor care primesc sample-uri (din motive de inabordare completa a CUDA).


    In final, nu pot decat sa iti recomand (daca te incapatanezi sa vrei SSD-uri) sa faci raid 0 de atatea SSD-uri OCZ Vertex de 30 de Gb, sau, asa cum bine observa mai sus poker_x, de SuperTalent UltraDrive ME (care folosesc acelasi controller Indilinx Barefoot, si e foarte posibil sa fie disponibile in curand in Romanica spre deosebire de cele OCZ).

    Si... apropo... versiunea finala de firmware OCZ Vertex (prezenta si pe Super Talent) e chiar mai buna decat cea din testul initial Anandtech...





    Si, nu in ultimul rand, sa limitezi capacitatea SSD-urilor la ~ 30 - 45 de Gb in total pentru cele 2/3/n SSD-uri (pentru partitia cu OS-ul si jocurile+aplicatiile mi se pare suficienta, nu?), un dual/tri/quad-Raid 0 fiind suficient.
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    Intel Responds to Fragmentation with New X25-M Firmware | PCPer

    The weak link has been eradicated, and Im thoroughly impressed with the renewed performance it will bring to all M series drive users. I am also thoroughly pleased with Intel for being so open to feedback from the reviewers.
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    Dupa OCZ Summit, un alt producator a decis sa re-brand-uiasca noile SSD-uri OEM Samsung. Este vorba de Corsair cu al sau P256.

    Ba chiar a fost testat de hothardware (dupa ce Summit-ul fusese testat de pcperspective), iar rezultatele in PcMark atasate sunt foarte interesante... totusi, aceasta capacitate de 256 de Gb va avea un pret in mod sigur prohibitiv, si deci nu pare a ameninta pozitia Vertex-ului ca optim calitate/pret. Care Vertex este disponibil si in Romanica numai la comanda la elsaco...
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    E aparut cam de o luna pe newegg.
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    SSD Prices Could be Cut in Half Due to New JMicron Flash Controller & 32nm NAND Flash
    JMicron will be unveiling a new NAND flash controller for use in Solid State Drives (SSDs) in the near future. The JMF612 chip uses an ARM9 core in a 289-ball TFBGA package, and will support the use of up to 256MB of DDR or DDR2 DRAM as an external cache.
    The new chip was designed to remedy stuttering problems during random write operations, which has plagued SSDs using the JMF602 flash controller.
    The JMF612 chip is designed especially for a new generation of NAND flash chips built using smaller process geometries that will be entering the market soon. IM Flash Technologies, a joint venture between Intel and Micron, is already building 34nm NAND, while 32nm NAND from Samsung and Toshiba will soon be entering production. The use of a cheap single-chip controller and new higher density flash chips could cut prices in half by the vital Christmas shopping season.
    JMicron will be showing engineering samples of its latest controller at Computex 2009 at the beginning of June. Mass production of the new chip is expected to start in July. The company is also working on a flash controller that will work at SATA 6Gbps speeds, but it is not expected to be ready for mass production until the middle of 2010.
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    http://www.techpowerup.com/95278/Sil...ble_Drive.html


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    Super Talent Shows PCIe RAIDDrive SSD Workstations, IDE SSDs
    Super Talent used Crystal Disk Mark v2.2 for benchmarking, which showed sustained sequential read speed of over 1.5 GB/sec, sequential write speed of nearly 1.35 GB/sec. Their benchmarking data taken with HDBench showed random read speed of 725 MB/sec and random write speed of 515 MB/sec.
    Interestingly, the company is also introducing some SSDs with an IDE connector instead of the newer SATA 6GB/s connectors that are now the standard.
    PhotoFast Unveils 1.8-inch G-Monster V3 Micro-SATA SSD
    The new G-Monster V3 uses a micro-SATA interface, that is available on some netbooks. Apart from its main NAND-flash storage, that comes in capacities of 32, 64, and 128 GB, it also features 64 MB of DDR2 memory to serve as a high speed buffer. The buffer ensures latency reduction on the host controller's side, especially since the drive offers high data transfer rates of 230/180 MBps (read/write).
    G.Skill 64GB Falcon (FM-25S2S-64GBF1) @ ccereviews.com - test relativ interesant, arata ca in ATTO, un SSD plin are rezultate mai slabe inclusiv la citire... deocamdata habar nu am motivul, insa pun pariu ca ATTO e de vina...
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    Windows 7 HDD and SSD Performance Analyzed
    Performance Summary: Our performance numbers verify our initial impressions of Windows 7. Platter based hard drives and high-end solid state drives, all run faster on Windows 7. Solid state drives see the largest performance boost, which showed up to a 35% improvement in read performance and up to a 23% boost in write performance. The performance difference for platter based hard drives is admittedly smaller, but even though the numbers don't showcase it, there is a definitely smoother, snappier feeling to running Windows 7 compared to Vista, which can be perceived even on traditional hard drives.
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    New OCZ Budget SSD Series Will Be Agility, replaces Core/Solid SSD - cica (dupa traducerea altora) ar avea tot controller Indilinx, insa memorii nand mai ieftine/slabe ca Vertex... preturile sunt necunoscute, insa ar trebui sa fie cu macar vreo 20 % mai ieftine ca Vertex...

    Available in 30GB (30), 60GB (64), 120GB (128) capacities*
    64MB Onboard Cache

    30GB Max Performance
    Read: Up to 185 MB/s
    Write: Up to 100 MB/s
    Sustained Write: Up to 60 MB/S

    60GB Max Performance
    Read: Up to 230 MB/s
    Write: Up to 135 MB/s
    Sustained Write: Up to 80 MB/S

    120GB Max Performance
    Read: Up to 230 MB/s
    Write: Up to 135 MB/s
    Sustained Write: Up to 80 MB/S

    OCZ Summit MLC SSD de 120 GB @ benchmarkreviews - performanta solida, la un pret prohibitiv... egaleaza aproape Vertexul, care ramane in continuare cea mai buna alegere ca raport pret/calitate...



    In aceasta imagine apare si Patriot Torqx de 128 de GB - testat si el de benchmarkreviews - copie dupa Vertex, insa putin mai scump...

    InnoDisk shows off amazing 128GB Nano SSD drives

    Kingston intros more affordable SSDNow Value Series - up to 100MB/sec. read; 80MB/sec. write - 64GB 2.5" - $149 - baietii astia se cred in anul 2008, si probabil viseaza ca revolutioneaza piata...
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    PhotoFast announces the G-Monster V5/V5J solid state drives - foarte foooarte interesant
    Coming in 32, 64, 128 and 256GB capacities, the G-Monster V5 and V5J drives features a SATA 3.0 Gbps interface, have a MTBF (mean time before failure) of 2.5 million hours and come backed by a one-year warranty.

    The V5 models are equipped with an Indilinx controller (inca o copie dupa Vertex), 128MB of cache memory and provide read and write speeds of up to 270 MB/s (the 32/64GB drives reach 200 MB/s when writing), while the V5J SSDs boast JMicron's latest controller (JM612), 256MB of buffer and maximum read/write speeds of 240/200 MB/s. The drives' prices have not been revealed.
    Mie varianta cu noul controller JMicron mi se pare cea mai interesanta... daca japonezii de la Photofast (apropo, exista distribuitor in Romania?) introduc varianta de 32 de GB la mai putin de 100 de euro (Vertex-ul de 30 de GB e vreo 130), atunci foarte probabil va constitui noul optim calitate/pret (asta, normal, daca nu cumva si noul controller JMicron va avea probleme, lucru greu de crezut)...

    Iar apropo de Vertex, inca un test aici al variantei de 30 de GB... iarasi laudat....
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